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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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Blogueuse. Usages du syndicalisme et des logiciels libres contre le terrorisme d'État. Conscience de genre et solidarité de classe. Ségrégation raciale, salariale, et surproduction de masse.

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Location Lyon
Birthday 1995-09-07
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@tyx @revk @Nangpa I'm telling you that white people (at least where I live, in France) do this association. We call a category of these scammers "les brouteurs" (I'm saying this because an anthropology journal at my town library has published a paper mentioning Nigerian brouteurs); I hear white people referring to other white people on Facebook/Instagram driving them mad as if it was a good joke.

What do you think? I've spent an entire day replying to people about this. I'm not doing this for internet points; most of my posts are French-speaking anyway.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
2y
Conclusion : les blagues misandres sont essentialisantes et transphobes, faites-en si vous voulez mais entre vous AFK, et sous CW ici. Merci beaucoup !
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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Imaginons que vous soyez neurotypique. Vivriez-vous les blagues sur les blancs (par exemple sur le fait qu'on ne sait pas danser ou cuisiner) comme une violence identitaire ?

Si vous ne vivez pas ces blagues comme une violence identitaire, mais que vous vivez une blague comme « "computers were a mistake" is stored in the balls » (je vous promets que ça me démange) comme une violence identitaire, je crois que vous auriez deux relations différentes à la masculinité et à votre blanchité.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
2y
Ça me traverse l'esprit comme ça, mais si vous vivez les blagues misandres comme une violence de genre… Vous n'êtes pas forcément un homme cisgenre
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
2y
@Gergovie @ploum T'as peut-être envie de commencer par xn--ocane-csa.fr/la-maltraitance-numerique. Je peux aussi t'envoyer un PDF si tu veux. Idem pour xn--ocane-csa.fr/la-spectacularisation-de-lhumain-augmente.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
2y
@Gergovie @ploum Enfin elle a pas encore été acceptée mais comme je vais leur proposer une formation sur les liens entre logiciels libres et antiracisme, je pense qu'elle le sera.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@Gergovie @ploum Ah bah si je donne une conférence aux JDLL à ce sujet-là en 2025.

Edit : l'image est le logo « Pour les nuls » avec leur mascotte, sur le fond jaune caractérisant ces livres.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@twobiscuits I mean honestly, I could get rid of my Switch for much less than that. I could get rid of it on a whim. I could forget it at a remote hotel chest and consider it lost without giving a shit. It isn't people. It's a game.

I can hardly see something that would have enough value at my place to let people get hurt. So honestly this is a bad example.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@twobiscuits If I was presented with the choice of losing my Nintendo Switch or letting a teenager get abused by their schoolmates, however, since this is closer to the topic at hand, I'd assure them that they could get away with my Switch then I'd bake some pancakes.

I'm a bit virtue-signaling here, but this is just a gaming tablet. I'm 28 years old.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@twobiscuits Is burgling a systemic problem? I do not think it is. It is at most a reaction to systemic problems (such as the defunding of our public school systems, too long work weeks increasing joblessness + a too low minimum wage, or a lack of resources for hospitals and psychotherapy; a lack of family subventions; and so forth).
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@twobiscuits Did you read me carefully? Indeed, messing with their systems is OK, especially by legally threatening their employers. Putting someone who, I will repeat, does a sweatshop job on the brink of losing it isn't.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@Nangpa @revk Indeed but speaking as a white person I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that when white people think about call center scams they think about brown people. If harming a call center scammer is harming a brown person, then this post is embedded in a racist culture and in racist practices. I didn't say that revk was racist, and I have the luxury not to have to jump to conclusions. I'm just saying, I will repeat, that "there's arguably racism in that".
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@revk Fam, I'm not the person who's reported you, but about your update, I don't think there's a need to get on the defensive.

I've published something that I consider as problematic literally two days ago. Microblogging is, to simplify, an implementation of components we find in Nazism. We can get tired. Mistakes happen. But your defense of this post just makes it sound worse.

The problem isn't you versus an illegal call center operator, or you versus an illegal call center. It's you and this call center operator versus an extractive resources management system that came from good faith but got out of hand, and that currently relies on everyday racism, sexism, ableism, transphobia, as a form of State capitalism brutality delegation.

This person had no other choice than to work for this call center, because of this system. This job consists in getting people hurt through, most of the time, personal data collection, but this may go as far as identity theft. Identity theft victims themselves are suffering, because of this system.

The phenomenon itself is very interesting and I could point you to a few French-speaking blog posts I've made, but I'm also available to chat about it. The key point for me is that you don't fight the harm these scams are causing by encouraging racism, because this only reinforces the global structure. Every oppression is tied to the forced production, appropriation, and concentration of resources by a minority of de facto oppressors. If these resources were fully reallocated to the workers and to public infrastructure instead, we wouldn't need a police in its current form (State terrorism) and thus, identity theft could hardly hurt people.

This is one of the reasons for which I disagree with your post, and why speaking as a white trans neurodivergent woman I'm taking it very personally: it impacts me, and a disproportionate number of people on this Twitter survivors network, as well.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@piofthings Indeed, but I think that when most white people think about a call center, they either think about trusted services like energy or their government (that foreign scammers, as organizations, are impersonating) or about the scammers themselves, perceived as brown people.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@Catarina @revk Indeed, this reminds me this Mad Men scene…
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@piofthings @revk This message is part of a collection of online messages in which you can see white people harming people with thick accents, in an attempt not to get called again. These operators don't get to make a choice; their supervisors do, so you need to tell them it's completely pointless wasting resources calling you to get their staff complimented, or to legally threaten them under the GDPR or under California's CCPA Act.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@piofthings @revk I felt that but don't you agree that white people performatively ruining a call operator's day would be performing white supremacy?
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@piofthings @revk Why would I tell there could be racism here if I didn't believe it? My other points can stand for themselves. Why are you reacting to this specifically?
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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@Nangpa @revk Because this kind of call center is often abroad, and because the call operators are often PoC.
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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist
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Les deux genres :

- Femme
- Marcos Dione
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