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Tournesol 🌻 @tournesol@peculiar.florist
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You have 99 problems ?
Learn French.
Voilà, now you have
4, 20, 10, 9 problems
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Aubrieta @Aubrieta@social.tchncs.de
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@tournesol 🤣
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Lou. @gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@tournesol oh oh, quelqu'un joue a des chiffres et des lettres
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🪨 @Varpie@peculiar.florist
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@tournesol Oh, t'as percé dis donc
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The-b-Project @bproject@mastodon.social
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@tournesol Or better in Japanese: 9, 10, 9 🤷‍♂️😅
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Maria sem saúde mental @aridiculaideia@arram.senta-la.cloud
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JWcph, Radicalized By Decency @jwcph@helvede.net
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@tournesol Or Danish - then you have 9, 4.5, 20 problems.
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Paper Moon @TazPoltorak@fosstodon.org
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@tournesol
Blaise Pascal
Pierre de Fermat
Pierre Simon Laplace
Simeon Denis Poisson
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Meddling Kitty @Nocta_Senestra@eldritch.cafe
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@tournesol 4 20 deez nuts
(I'm not the one who made ut just got reminded of it)
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Nel @Nel@mamot.fr
6mo
@tournesol
Meanwhile, in Danish 😏

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcBTymRQCDM
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Enea Lecas @Enea90@mastodon.social
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@tournesol French-speaking Swiss and Belgians don't use "quatre-vingt-dix".
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Leander Lindahl @leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.se
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@Enea90 @tournesol alors, qu’est-ce qu’ils disent?
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Enea Lecas @Enea90@mastodon.social
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@leanderlindahl @tournesol nonante. In Swiss and Belgian French: 70 septante, 80 huitante, 90 nonante.
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Leander Lindahl @leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.se
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@Enea90 @tournesol c'est bien mieux, à mon avis 🙂 comme l'italien. Mais ils ont nonante-neuf problèmes encore 🙂
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Laurent Cimon @clf@bsd.cafe
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@Enea90 @leanderlindahl @tournesol au Québec nous disons quatre vingt dix comme en France. Je ne sais pas pourquoi
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Enea Lecas @Enea90@mastodon.social
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@clf @leanderlindahl @tournesol moi je sais pourquoi. Les premiers colons qui sont venus s'installer qu Québec venaient de France, pas de Suisse ou de Belgique.
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Laurent Cimon @clf@bsd.cafe
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@Enea90 @leanderlindahl @tournesol et c'était pas récent l'adoption de quatre vingt dix?
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Enea Lecas @Enea90@mastodon.social
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@clf @leanderlindahl @tournesol C'est assez ancient, ça date de l'époque des gaulois, et c'est resté comme substrat linguistique après la conquête romaine. Les 2 systèmes numériques probablement coéxistaient auparavant, mais en France le système avec soixante-dix/quatre-vingt/quatre-vingt-dix est devenu standard après la révolution.
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Hartmut Neubauer @agrinova@social.cologne
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@Enea90 bien à savoir! @leanderlindahl @tournesol
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AntoineÐ @AntoineD@kwak.cab
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@tournesol

de 99 à 43, c’est déjà pas mal !
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Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦 @statsguy@mas.to
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@tournesol Ah, I tried to learn French, but I never got past counting up to 8.

Turns out I have a huit allergy
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F4GRX Sébastien @f4grx@chaos.social
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@tournesol so learning French is not a problem. Good.
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Tournesol 🌻 @tournesol@peculiar.florist
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original post without alt-text : dirtyknight.life/objects/e85dfb0f-35b0-42d9-bf65-81e5ef636874
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pixelroiber @pixelroiber@federation.network
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@tournesol plz don't check danish numbering system
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EsWee ​:fckafd:​ @EsWee@nrw.social
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@tournesol 😂👍
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Tom Pesch @bombadillo@mastodontti.fi
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@tournesol
You have 92 problems?
Learn German.
Also, now you have 2, 90 problems.
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Tim Rørstrøm @rorstrom@mastodon.social
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@tournesol Or learn Danish and you will have 100 problems, as your previous number of problems will now be a maths problem: 9+(5-(1/2))*20.
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Guillaume @giyomu@mastodon.social
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@tournesol 4, 20, 10, 9
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Tournesol 🌻 @tournesol@peculiar.florist
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@giyomu vas-y, je mets ta version haha
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The Turtle @the_turtle@mastodon.sdf.org
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@tournesol but "99" takes a lot less time to say than "quatrevingtdixneuf."
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Vio @VioB@eldritch.cafe
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@tournesol (Cent du coup, somehow)
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MrGrumpyMonkey @mrgrumpymonkey@mastodon.social
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@tournesol Thanks. I hate it. ​:KEKW:​
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Kewlio: gideo vames?! @kewliomzx@kind.social
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@tournesol Fun thing is, the words « septante », « octante », and « nonante » exist. Just almost nobody uses them. I've heard tell maybe Belgium does?
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Carsten O. 📯 💚🌻 @Carsten_O@neander.social
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@tournesol ROFL coptor
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AAA Trans Pirate @coolcalmcollected@mastodon.social
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@tournesol

fuck French. I took 4 years of classes and the only thing I made a point to remember is je n'parle francais. the French Canadians love that.

oiseaux? ridiculous
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lacie baskerville @celesteseloway@rivals.space
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@coolcalmcollected @tournesol je suis complètement d'accord
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The Human Capybara @aSweetGentleman@mstdn.social
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@tournesol Someday, the genius of our language will be recognized.
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Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ @elena@aseachange.com
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@tournesol 😂​😂​😂​ I "love" how French forces me to do math when pronouncing simple numbers
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Leander Lindahl @leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.se
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@elena @tournesol yes, that's one of the things I loved about Italian when I studied it, simple grammar and no "funny business" with the numbers.
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distincte&clare @distincteclare@social.tchncs.de
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@leanderlindahl @elena @tournesol

I've asked that before in
this universe: In Germany (and beyond maybe) there's a club that tries to promote the reading "zwanzigeins" as equivalent to "einundzwanzig" which, of course, is standard German.
Anyone in favour of this idea?

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Leander Lindahl @leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.se
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@distincteclare @elena @tournesol i would have been when I was younger, but its so deeply engrained in me now, that I wouldn't want to change it. Nor quatre-vingt.

You should find out about Danish numbers and it will blow your mind 😂

The have 1-20 "normal". Then they do "German style" 21-49. One and twenty etc...

50 is three sets of 20 minus 10, then three sets of twenty for 60. Four sets of twenty minus 10 for 70. 4x20 for eighty and same for 90 (5 sets - 10) and one hundred is 5 sets of 20.
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Leander Lindahl @leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.se
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@distincteclare @elena @tournesol
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Danish_numerals
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Leander Lindahl @leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.se
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@distincteclare @elena @tournesol in Swedish we count "normal". Like Italian and English 🙂
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The Penguin of Evil @etchedpixels@mastodon.social
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@leanderlindahl @distincteclare @elena @tournesol English old or new 😁. 3 score and ten ?
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Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ @elena@aseachange.com
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@leanderlindahl Quoting: “ 50 is halvtreds, short for halvtredje-sinds-tyve, "half third times twenty", implying two score plus half of the third score “

Excuse me whaaaaaat?!?

Please tell me that as a result Danes are better at math than other Europeans… Wow just wow!

@distincteclare @tournesol
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Leander Lindahl @leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.se
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@elena @distincteclare @tournesol I said it would blow your mind 🙂
Traditionally they've been a successful trading and merchant nation, so yes, I guess they know how to count.
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kasperd @kasperd@westergaard.social
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As a Dane I don’t think our names for the numbers are good, and I doubt they make us better at math. Most Danes rarely think about why the numbers have the names they have. You just have to learn the names for the numbers 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 and not think about where they came from.

As a kid when I learned those numbers I surely asked why 50 is named that way when it isn’t half of 60. I am not sure if that’s a question most Danish children will ask at some point.

That system of naming numbers only applies to 50 through 90. The names for numbers 20, 30, and 40 do not follow the same system. However Danish does have a word for 1½ based on the same principle as 50, 70, and 90.

The worst part of how numbers are named in Danish is the order in which the digits are said. When you have a number like 456 789, the order in which the digits appear in the name of that number is 4, 6, 5, 7, 9, 8.

Other Scandinavian languages like Swedish and Norwegian have more sensible names for the numbers than we do.

I have heard that the French way of naming numbers is even more complicated than the Danish. But I don’t speak French, so I cannot say if that’s true.
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Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ @elena@aseachange.com
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@leanderlindahl whaaaaaaaaat?!? I had no idea, wow!!! Mind = blown (and I thought the French way of saying numbers was too complex)

@distincteclare @tournesol
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Leipoa ocellata @leipoa@det.social
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@leanderlindahl
Oh, i love that about Danish! Keeps you on your toes when you're shopping.
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Head·word /ˈhedˌwɜː(ɹ)d/ n. @headword@lingo.lol
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@leanderlindahl @distincteclare @elena @tournesol

‘I've got 9 and half of the fifth score of problems, but a Danish ain't one’
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Adam Sjøgren @asjo@illuminant.asjo.org
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That's what the words meant, but Danes just learn them by heart, just like you do any other word.


Yes, seventy is called "halvfjerds", but no Danish speaker ever thinks about the etymology, we all just think "70".


The only time the origin of the words is trotted out is when somebody wants to speak about how quaint the language is.


Oh, and one hundred is "hundrede" in Danish, not "femsindstyve" - now you're just making stuff up.
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Leipoa ocellata @leipoa@det.social
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@distincteclare
I think it would be a brilliant idea, but as always in Germany, it would end in culture war ... like it did when safety belts were made obligatory, or right now the attempt to introduce a speed limit. Many of my fellow Germans are naturally allergic to change, I fear.
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Leander Lindahl @leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.se
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@leipoa @distincteclare @elena @tournesol i guess it comes with age too. I don't want "ein-und-zwanzig" to change. But I'm sure when I was 14y trying to learn the language of poets and thinkers I would have been all for the idea.
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Jigso @jigso@mastodon.social
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@elena @tournesol no it's the opposite : no need to do math, just pronounce numbers. For example : 60 + 10 = ? In french just read the 2 numbers : soixante-dix. 60 + 10 + 9 = soixante-dix neuf. Very easy.
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Michael Mathy @michaelmathy@mastodon.online
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@elena @tournesol
When I was young and we used to spell phone number, I was always the stupid guy that asked when I heard 60 16, "vous voulez dire le nombre 7 et 6 ou soixante et seize" ?

Like
06 60 16 ...
06 76 ...
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Elena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂ @elena@aseachange.com
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@michaelmathy @tournesol oh wow I had never thought of it this way... indeed if your phone number is 60 followed by 16 you're in so much trouble 😂​
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The Penguin of Evil @etchedpixels@mastodon.social
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@elena @tournesol try Welsh then. Older counting is in 20s and it uses addition and multipliers. Eg 18 is two nines and some numbers are even more complex. Interestingly young Welsh speaking children seem to do better at basic math.
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Alexander Knochel @Quantensalat@scicomm.xyz
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@tournesol Once went to Geneva and asked to pay 4 20 10 7 Euros for a Fondue, and got the sideeye of death because of course in french Switzerland it different and how could I not know that
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Hartmut Neubauer @agrinova@social.cologne
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@tournesol No. Learn German.
If you speak English, you have 90*9 = 810 problems.
If you speak French, you have 4*20*19 = 1520 problems.
Only with German language you have 9 + 90 = 99 problems.
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Hartmut Neubauer @agrinova@social.cologne
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@tournesol Or Spanish: 90 + 9 = 99 problems.
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Mans R @mansr@society.oftrolls.com
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@agrinova @tournesol What about Danish?
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BotAnix🌷🌿 @Bot_Anix@nrw.social
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@agrinova @tournesol ich weiß nicht, wie ihr auf diese Zahlen kommt ...
Was die Aussprache betrifft, hat Deutsch klare Vorteile, da es eine weitgehend vokaltreue Sprache ist.
Sagst du auf deutsch
"… ihr müsst so bleiben, ich bedauer
– da wurden die Zitronen sauer"
(aus dem Gedicht "die Zitronen" v. Heinz Erhardt)
so kann man es lesen und es reimt sich.
Im englischen wird, was gleich geschrieben wird, längst nicht gleich ausgesprochen. Es wundert mich, wenn Leute behaupten, englisch sei so viel→
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BotAnix🌷🌿 @Bot_Anix@nrw.social
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@agrinova @tournesol
→ einfacher.
Ist es nicht. Die Angelegenheit mit den Artikeln ist einfacher und dadurch die Grammatik der 4 Fälle.
Aber sonst?
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Hartmut Neubauer @agrinova@social.cologne
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@Bot_Anix Das sehe ich ähnlich. Von den mir bekannten Sprachen zählt Englisch zu denen mit der schlechtesten Schrift-Aussprache-Relation. @tournesol
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Speybridge @speybridge@ruhr.social
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@tournesol
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VHG 🇪🇺🇩🇪 @vgoller@nrw.social
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@tournesol how many is that in ?
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doro.e @doro@nrw.social
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@tournesol ah….kattrewängdisnöff 😂
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BotAnix🌷🌿 @Bot_Anix@nrw.social
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@doro @tournesol das klingt prima!
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