Océane (@oceane)

That is genius!

Update:

LOL, someone reported me to, err, me... The first report I have ever had!

Seems I have to clarify.

All junk calls I get, are either not legal under PECR, or actually fraudulent. I am assuming this is the nature of this call. If not, then not so funny.

I have zero sympathy for someone that works for criminals. Arguing that the only job you can get is working for criminals does not justify it. Sorry. But that is my free speech opinion.

So I won't be suspending myself.

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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@revk I'm not sure you understand how much stress this person has put on a delocalized worker, who's already alienated in normal conditions, having to follow a route made by white collar workers. He may have a family to feed and he isn't the problem himself. He may have been fired, or at best he's lost an hour of paid labor while fearing losing his job, in great distress.

This is only funny for ignorant people, and there's arguably racism in that. Do better.

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RevK :verified_r: @revk@toot.me.uk

@oceane I'd only do it to someone that is a an unlawful junk caller - which is most of them - and I would assume such in this case.

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@revk This is unlawful in your country, not in theirs. This person has a job contract. There's no need to be rude with them actually – I generally politely tell them that I'm broke, that I dont own my home, that I'm going to switch to an associative ISP but that their employer is great, and then they leave me alone.

In the worst case, I've asked them to tell me who had given them my contact info, I had to contact them thrice and threaten them to file a GDPR complaint if I didn't have my answer, and then the female worker has somehow negociated not to call me anymore in exchange of not giving me this information, and they didn't call me on behalf of their client since 2022. I was telling her all along the way that I didn't mean to harm her but that this really was about another data broker, but she was stressed anyway.

Your "I'd only do it to someone that is an unlawful junk caller" looks like a coded way to say "I wouldn't do that to a white worker from a national call center"…

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Marcos Dione @mdione@en.osm.town

@revk @oceane the telemarketer is the company, not the person calling. They're doing tht shitty job because they hve no other option. I worked in a call center and none of the positions are an easy or rewarded job: sales, cold callers and support.

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piofthings @piofthings@mastodon.social

@oceane @revk I don’t buy the racism trope here. I know these junk callers! They know what they are doing! Yes they get paid a salary, but they are not all harmless! They are part of a well connected mafia! Some of these “call centres” are setup in Govt. mandated “IT Parks” with tax breaks in the respective country of origin! I may have sympathy for a homeless guy running from a mob because they got a bottle of car air freshener and took shelter in my living room! I would not if he knifed me!

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@piofthings @revk Why would I tell there could be racism here if I didn't believe it? My other points can stand for themselves. Why are you reacting to this specifically?

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piofthings @piofthings@mastodon.social

@oceane @revk because I am a brown guy who doesn’t want racism to be used for defending criminals!

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@piofthings @revk I felt that but don't you agree that white people performatively ruining a call operator's day would be performing white supremacy?

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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@piofthings @revk This message is part of a collection of online messages in which you can see white people harming people with thick accents, in an attempt not to get called again. These operators don't get to make a choice; their supervisors do, so you need to tell them it's completely pointless wasting resources calling you to get their staff complimented, or to legally threaten them under the GDPR or under California's CCPA Act.

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piofthings @piofthings@mastodon.social

@oceane given there was no mention of dialect, language, or country of origin for that call it is extremely presumptuous! Could have been a call from the same country, east European country or anywhere else! Also these scammers don’t distinguish between colour of skin! They started with national level scamming operations before they went international! So, I appreciate you being cognisant of racism, I simply disagree that needs to be at play here!

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@piofthings Indeed, but I think that when most white people think about a call center, they either think about trusted services like energy or their government (that foreign scammers, as organizations, are impersonating) or about the scammers themselves, perceived as brown people.

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Crissa Kentavr @Crissa@meow.social

@oceane @revk
I've literally done this job.
Either they're being paid by the hour - and this is a break from work - or they're not, and that's illegal, too.

Twobiscuits🚴‍♂️ :graz: @twobiscuits@graz.social

Cold calling is illegal. And then there are actual scam calls – and these have reached a prevalence that makes me reluctant to answer the phone to an unknown number. Which isn’t great since I am a freelancer and have no way of knowing whether it's a potential client trying to contact me? This is criminal activity that's messing with the functioning of essential infrastructure. Personally I wouldn't take the call. But fucking with their systems is ok afaic.

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@twobiscuits Did you read me carefully? Indeed, messing with their systems is OK, especially by legally threatening their employers. Putting someone who, I will repeat, does a sweatshop job on the brink of losing it isn't.

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Twobiscuits🚴‍♂️ :graz: @twobiscuits@graz.social

@oceane Ok if I ever have a burglar, I must remember to help them find what they're looking for in case the gang doesn't pay them …

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@twobiscuits Is burgling a systemic problem? I do not think it is. It is at most a reaction to systemic problems (such as the defunding of our public school systems, too long work weeks increasing joblessness + a too low minimum wage, or a lack of resources for hospitals and psychotherapy; a lack of family subventions; and so forth).

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@twobiscuits If I was presented with the choice of losing my Nintendo Switch or letting a teenager get abused by their schoolmates, however, since this is closer to the topic at hand, I'd assure them that they could get away with my Switch then I'd bake some pancakes.

I'm a bit virtue-signaling here, but this is just a gaming tablet. I'm 28 years old.

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@twobiscuits I mean honestly, I could get rid of my Switch for much less than that. I could get rid of it on a whim. I could forget it at a remote hotel chest and consider it lost without giving a shit. It isn't people. It's a game.

I can hardly see something that would have enough value at my place to let people get hurt. So honestly this is a bad example.

Kattenpööt 🕊️ 🏳️‍🌈 @kattenpoet@norden.social

@twobiscuits

Thank you for providing me with an example for straw man fallacy.

@oceane

Nangpa 🇳🇴 @Nangpa@oslo.town

@oceane @revk

Maybe I can't read, but the topic here is not skin colour, nationality or race - not even close...
So, I don't see the racism issue

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@Nangpa @revk Because this kind of call center is often abroad, and because the call operators are often PoC.

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Nangpa 🇳🇴 @Nangpa@oslo.town

Sorry, @oceane

Fediverse is worlwide with people/users from around the globe and we can't be too "woke" all the time.

I don't mind "woke" people but this got nothing to do with this post by @revk

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@Nangpa @revk Indeed but speaking as a white person I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that when white people think about call center scams they think about brown people. If harming a call center scammer is harming a brown person, then this post is embedded in a racist culture and in racist practices. I didn't say that revk was racist, and I have the luxury not to have to jump to conclusions. I'm just saying, I will repeat, that "there's arguably racism in that".

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tyx @tyx@lor.sh

@oceane @revk @Nangpa
You're doing the same broad assumptions as the far-right do, with zero knowledge of circumstances.
Illegal business -> POC? Really?

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@tyx @revk @Nangpa I'm telling you that white people (at least where I live, in France) do this association. We call a category of these scammers "les brouteurs" (I'm saying this because an anthropology journal at my town library has published a paper mentioning Nigerian brouteurs); I hear white people referring to other white people on Facebook/Instagram driving them mad as if it was a good joke.

What do you think? I've spent an entire day replying to people about this. I'm not doing this for internet points; most of my posts are French-speaking anyway.

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@tyx @revk @Nangpa FYI, I've got 2 new followers today. I don't spend 6 hours on my computer for 2 new followers, I have blog posts to write

tyx @tyx@lor.sh

@oceane @revk @Nangpa
Ok, your goal was not a discussion, but throwing moral supremacy claims around. I'll spare you some minutes then.

Mans R @mansr@society.oftrolls.com

@Nangpa @oceane @revk When white people see racism everywhere, I sometimes wonder if it might actually be a reflection of their own attitudes.

Nangpa 🇳🇴 @Nangpa@oslo.town

@mansr

Totally agree👍
We all need to take a look in the mirror 😉

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Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@Nangpa @mansr @revk You definitely should try to write documents of an arbitrarily long format, for example with Markdown and the Zola static sites generator. Emacs provides a complete framework for this (Irreal and planet.emacslife.com are good entry points) but it's a mess to setup so if you were to choose this route, you would be feel free to ask me anytime for technical advice.

Short formats and especially on remote, shared databases that you can't export are both dispositives of power in Foucault's sense. These are red flags. You should get into blogging in a sane, safe context and then consider the questionable opportunity of getting into microblogging.

To answer to this ad hominem argument, of course I'm projecting; I know that as long as children with my profile (a neurodivergent white trans woman) won't be safe, nobody will, not even oppressors. I want to be part of the safety net I'm voting for.

Indeed, I know as a white person that PoC are more vulnerable and less prone to defend themselves aggressively from verbal aggressions. Whiteness includes tools to punish them for setting and enforcing boundaries – as do school bullying and adulthood. I've actively built the habbit of not reacting aggressively to PoC signaling boundaries or even misbehaving in the most harmless way, especially by considering how I would react with a white person.

I understand this is an ad hominem argument but this isn't based on any form of knowledge. You can't just jump on someone else's feelings as an excuse to tone police me. This would require at least some form of violence that might be culturally implied by what I say, and I'm sorry for this, I know I'm not careful enough about that, but that (as a form of violence) just isn't on my mind.

tyx @tyx@lor.sh

@oceane @revk
Same comes with the pickpockets.
Scam/Illegal business -> not worker.

Catarina Lourenço @Catarina@masto.pt

@oceane @revk he could have just pressed 9 at the start of the call, but he had to ruin someone's day instead for Internet points :/

Océane @oceane@peculiar.florist

@Catarina @revk Indeed, this reminds me this Mad Men scene…